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faraaz · Jun 23, 2009, 10:24 AM // 10:24

IMO if you have the targeting skillz to keep an eye on your party and the enemies at the same time, Assassin's Promise. Allows you to maintain perma Aegis on your party all by yourself which is pretty godly. Not to mention, gives you access to perma dark escape on yourself, which in some cases might be good.

If you cant hax it, then Life Sheath is pr0. Spammy, has awesome utility, and serves as a decent red bars up, which is kinda unavoidable in PvE.

Lourens · Jun 23, 2009, 10:40 AM // 10:40

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Originally Posted by faraaz

IMO if you have the targeting skillz to keep an eye on your party and the enemies at the same time, Assassin's Promise. Allows you to maintain perma Aegis on your party all by yourself which is pretty godly. Not to mention, gives you access to perma dark escape on yourself, which in some cases might be good.

If you cant hax it, then Life Sheath is pr0. Spammy, has awesome utility, and serves as a decent red bars up, which is kinda unavoidable in PvE.

Your whole team is not getting attacked 24/7 perma aegis isn't really needed imo, and good monks are not under fire almost all time so Dark Escape is pretty useless

Kiluna · Jun 23, 2009, 10:59 AM // 10:59

PnH or LS for me, sometimes i consider Divert Hexes, but the 10e cost scares me away most of the time (though the red barring from it is nice).

Most of the time i run WoH or LoD hybrid though (patient, sig of rejuv, aegis, gole, SoA + hex and cond removal)

Keira Nightgale · Jun 23, 2009, 11:23 AM // 11:23

Restore conditions, of course.

AngeliqueSynner · Jun 23, 2009, 11:30 AM // 11:30

I have always been partial to Unyielding Aura.
I liked Life Sheath more before the functionality change, but it's still pretty awesome. :]

Burst Cancel · Jun 23, 2009, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Wait, why would you bring a prot elite in PvE?

There are very few areas where the hex stacks are both deep enough and dangerous enough to warrant the nuclear option(s). Conditions matter even less in PvE, especially with a necro team running FF + Infuse Condition/Plague Sending. What's more, in the cases where conditions might matter, it's because they're being applied too constantly (see: Blinding Flash) or too widely (see: Words of Madness).

SoD is viable, but at 10s cooldown it's not that great unless you're running tank-and-spank, in which case there are better options. In general, AP+Aegis is much stronger.

faraaz · Jun 23, 2009, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Lourens

Your whole team is not getting attacked 24/7 perma aegis isn't really needed imo, and good monks are not under fire almost all time so Dark Escape is pretty useless

Hence why I said "which in some cases may be good". Not ALL cases.

And idk about you but when I'm monking for guild team vanquishes and stuff...my party is being attacked pretty much non stop...my guildies dont believe in stopping between mobs :P.

IronSheik · Jun 23, 2009, 06:06 PM // 18:06

I can't find use for SoD in PvE...ever, that stays in arenas for me, I'd rather just AP with aegis if I need lots of blocking.

Divert/PnH for hex heavys, although I generally don't bring hex removal in PvE since it's reapplied again anyway.

LS/RoF+Selfless for general. This is mainly for the prots themselves, not the condition removal factor, but being able to spam these is underrated.

UA for pugs...since I refuse to bring rebirth, and I dislike the 6 seconds of chant.

Zealous for 4/6 man areas, or pugs where the healer is bringing no energy management.

AP for general Lols.

AoF, I never really dabbled with this outside arenas, I found SoL on it's own is enuff for a full party heal, I'll try it out

Boon for awesomeness, highly underrated, free healz.

FoxBat · Jun 23, 2009, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

I can't find use for SoD in PvE...ever, that stays in arenas for me, I'd rather just AP with aegis if I need lots of blocking.

It's very nice vs Shiro... that's about it.

Abedeus · Jun 23, 2009, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Divert Hexes or Shield of Regeneration. Maybe Life Sheath if I need more condition removal.

Lishy · Jun 23, 2009, 08:04 PM // 20:04

I like ZB because it allows you to play a hybrid while protting. Although it is hard to manage in the heat of the battle..

MuC · Jun 23, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Aura of Faith the one and only PvE prot god.

EDIT: I miss Gala!

caeleth · Jun 24, 2009, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Generally run the following:
[guardian][dismiss condition][spirit bond][shield of absorption](Elite)[GoLE][Aegis][patient spirit]

Melee heavy or generic: [Shield of Deflection]
Non melee generic (where there arent much enchant strips): [Shield of Regeneration]
Hex heavy: [Peace and Harmony]
Fun/condition heavy: [Life Sheath]

Obviously I prefer mostly prot builds and let the other monk heal

Crassus Praetor · Jun 24, 2009, 08:37 AM // 08:37

My favourite(s), and not necessarily the best would be between
Divert Hexes and Restore Conditions.

On the other hand I wouldn't use a prot elite in PvE unless it was
in a specialised situation.

Oh and the last time I looked Unyielding Aura and Peace and Harmony
were both in the divine favours line although PaH is pretty prot-ish.

Tenebrae · Jun 24, 2009, 10:25 AM // 10:25

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Originally Posted by MuC

Aura of Faith the one and only PvE prot god.

EDIT: I miss Gala!

Agree , that and PnH , love em.

ibtd · Jun 24, 2009, 03:56 PM // 15:56

I don't believe in resses on a monk... ever... anywhere. Except maybe in a highly specialized build for areas like DoA where it is kinda required, but that's about it. Oh, and except UA ofc, which is very decent. I see no reason why a monk is the one that has to run when a wipe is imminent when pretty much anyone else can run away while the monk tanks the mob as long as possible to secure the getaway. The one skill slot for the monk is so valuable, but eh, different topic I guess...

On topic now, ZB isn't too bad if you are good at anticipating the 50% health barrier. It even gives you energy when running Selfless Spirit (not much, but still...). Life Sheath is a nice life saver, but RoF can do that and like mentioned before, the condition removal isn't exactly that important in HM anyways since condis get reapplied so fast. Sometimes, LS is a gamble and can suck when a simple wanding triggers it.

I think I would prefer Shield of Regen if you can handle the energy. Shouldn't really be a problem with Selfless and GoLE though.

Not sure about AP, it can be nice with Aegis, but I don't know about not bringing a monk elite. Sure can be fun though especially in a Discord build.

Personally, I usually run a WoH hybrid, and sometimes when I feel like it or I anticipate a bunch of deaths in a PuG I grab UA.

IronSheik · Jun 24, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Crassus Praetor

Oh and the last time I looked Unyielding Aura and Peace and Harmony
were both in the divine favours line although PaH is pretty prot-ish.

This isn't what is the best elite in the prot line, it's what is the best elite to run while running prot.

Crassus Praetor · Jun 24, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Ah ok I must have been confused by both the title and OP

Yichi · Jun 24, 2009, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

This isn't what is the best elite in the prot line, it's what is the best elite to run while running prot.

really? because the thread title doesn't specify either which way...

From most people's viewpoint, it is askign what is the best prot elite to run in PvE...

Life Bringing · Jun 25, 2009, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Tbh, you should never run pure prot in PvE. It's just a waste. Spec 6 attribs into prot and bring prot spirit and you can roll through almost any area of the game. If running heroes, your regular MM has plenty of bar space and attribs to spec 10 into prot for an aegis, and most fights don't last for much more than 10 seconds anyways. The only monk elites that see any real use in PvE are UA, HB, PnH, RoJ, and Life Bond, simply because they're effective at what they do.